jackson is trying to get around public disclosure laws. because if you talk about it for the most part as a government employee, we get to see it, you know? we get to file a freedom of information request, and you have to give it over to us. that's why if you're thinking about e-mailing president obama anytime soon, know that it's all going to be a matter of public record and retrievable for the ages. [laughter] so ms. jackson, according to this house committee, established an alias e-mail under the name of richard windsor. is there any proof of this, brad? where is this coming from? >> well, this -- actually, from what i understand, it came from the ig himself over at epa. but having said that, what good reason if we used common sense would there be for a high government official to have a fictitious e-mail account? the fact is, it smells just in and of itself that a high government official would feel it necessary and then to use that e-mail account for conducting government business. there should be a zero tolerance policy on an adminis